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Rohan Reznor
Zekeling
posted 10-12-16 02:18 AM EDT (US)         
Seeing this timeline might help as reference : http://rol.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=4&tn=514&st=recent&f=4,514,0,10

Cuotl Spaceship crashlands.

One Cuotl transmitter node breaks from the spaceship and lands in Miana.

Another Cuotl transmitter node breaks apart and lands in the Alin territory, is found by Sawu and the node ends up corrupting Sawu and creats the Dark Alin.

Czin, Shok, Xil and Ix emerge from their Spacepods and subjugate the cuotl tribes. Czin finds that two transmitter nodes are still in his possession to activate the transmitter.

Czin activates his transmitter using the two nodes. However, the transmitter fails to completely activate because of it lacking the required other two power nodes (The node in Miana and the node in Sawu's hands).

The transmitter however ends up reacting with the remaining two power nodes. The node in the Vinci Lands starts making the mining company workers sick and this over time attracts the attention of the lord of Miana.

The node in the hands of Sawu however makes him even stronger. This extra power allows Sawu to partially break the barrier of Mezekesh and the Dark Alin return.
(The Alin King mentions that something awakened the Dark Alin again. This awakening was caused by the node reacting to the transmitter being activated by Czin).

Czinnow knowing the location of the other two nodes establishes contact with the Doge in the hopes of obtaining the transmitter node in Vinci lands. Czin gives one transmitter node to the Doge to track his movements and make him his puppet by mind control.
(We can assume the device used by the Doge did make him a tool of the Cuotl)

The Doge helped by the Pirata re-acquires the transmitter node and sends it back to Czin. Czin then orders the Doge to return the transmitter node and the Doge marches his army to the Cuotl rainforest.

Czin plans an attack on Mezekesh to acquire the transmitter node under Sawu's possession. Xil starts preparing the "Eye of the Gods" to destroy the magical barrier surrounding Mezekesh, Shok uses "The Crypt of Knowledge" to mind control the Cuotl tribes to make an army whereas Ix starts making forward bases on the Cuotl borders as preparation of the attack.

Thanks to good fortune, Sawu is defeated by Giacomo and Czin uses a spaceship to steal the power node of Sawu. However, the Doge is defeated when his power node gets damaged and explodes. The power node however looks unaffected and comes under Giacomo's possession. Czin orders the spacecraft to attack Giacomo to retrieve the node, however this attempt is unsuccessful but it leads Giacomo and his army to the Cuotl borders.

Czin travels to the Cuotl Borders but is too late as Ix and his Cuotl army get routed by Giacomo's army. In the chaos of battle, Giacomo fights Ix and his walker ends up being destroyed. Giacomo tries to use the damaged transmitter node of the Doge but it explodes and covers Giacomo in Dark Glass. Carlini destroys Ix, Czin kills Carlini and retrieves the node.

With the four transmitter nodes in his possession, Czin powers up his transmitter but is stopped by Giacomo.....

Was he able to contact his homeworld ? My answer would be Yes.
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TimorenPL
Zekeling
posted 10-13-16 02:47 PM EDT (US)     1 / 11       
That sounds realistic and could happen, but I find the timeline in the link more accurate. Although as a fan theory - it's great. I also do think Czin contacted his 'alien masters', we see their holograms so they probably can see Giacomo destroying the transmitter. They do know, but do they want to visit Aio to check what the hell is going on? Or is it too expensive/far away? Or maybe the won't bother because they have a war raging on? Who knows what is happening in the space...
alincarpetman
Afreet
posted 10-16-16 00:13 AM EDT (US)     2 / 11       
Cool timeline

Had some questions and ideas if we go along with this plotline:

In the first Alin cutscene the Alin King mentions "nearly 30 generations ago Sawu was corrupted by a strange talisman". In real life a human "generation" is considered ranging from 22-32 years, maybe 25 average. So 30 x 25 = 750 years, maybe about 800 years before Giacomo's journey Sawu was corrupted, if a human generation and year measurement equals a Aionian generation and year. We don't know how long Giacomo's journey across Vinci lands took since since Petruzzo's death and the Doge's theft of the node, but when he gets to Azar Harif we find out that 800 or so years ago the Dark Alin came into existence. So the Vinci node was the last one to be found/activated, as the Alin node was activated around 800 years ago, and the Cuotl nodes already in possession before then. It's not specified at what point the Dark Alin subsided, sometime between 800 years ago and the present in the campaign storyline.

The question is if Mezekesh was abandoned with Sawu in it and buried under "a mile of sand" as the Alin King said, how did Sawu and the Dark Alin "re-activate" the city? Was the node buried with him? It seems like it, as you can see it in the final mission near him. However what is the "Mezekesh barrier"? How is it being generated and for what? To protect Sawu or imprison him? Damanhur and Dahkla are the "keys" to Mezekesh and the barrier falls when they approach the gate.

Maybe these two created a "security lock" imprisoning Sawu, the node, and the Dark Alin. Maybe then the city was buried in sand. But the question is still how and why Sawu re-activated the Dark Alin. The area looks clear of sand, so at some point even though imprisoned the sand was cleared away. Maybe the mile of sand was "cleared" by transmuting it to dark glass spires, spikes and flats. Then only the barriers remained and Giacomo and friends were actually breaking into a prison to defeat Sawu which was risky since he and more Dark Alin could have escaped. Maybe Sawu was like a gangster somehow directing his outside Dark Alin gang from inside the prison, or he left it up to the dark genies to continue the war on their own.

Personally I imagined Sawu as a "regular human" (or Aionian in this case) or genie before turning evil, after he got corrupted by the Cuotl relic maybe he mutated and grew two more arms and turned into a blue glass color because of the dark glass corruption, similar to how Giacomo's face is also affected later.

I'm unsure of one thing - the Cuotl transmitter nodes versus Cuotl weapons. For example,the Doge has a Cuotl tech weapon on one of the arms on his mech-walker when he visits the mine to get the transmitter node. Sawu has a node in Mezekesh but no Cuotl weapon.

We can guess that maybe the Cuotl weapon attached to Doge's mech-walker was a "gift", bribe or deal to make the Doge fulfill Czin's mission. In the cutscene here it looks like he already had the weapon when he got to the mine with the node. Maybe he had spies all over Vinci land, including Miana, which is how he found out about the node.

In the second Alin cutscene we see a Cuotl ship arrive after the Doge is killed to pick up either the Doge's weapon or the Alin node - Giacomo says "It's coming for this." However in the first Cuotl cutscene we see this node in Giacomo's walker here. So maybe the Cuotl failed to retrieve it that time, but Czin shows up and gets it this time. But it is unclear if the Alin node was picked up or not, we don't clearly see it being talked about or shown, so there's some confusion here.

Meanwhile Giacomo modifies his walker with parts from Ix the Moon God after he was injured by the node's blast trying to fight him. Which makes you wonder if it is a transmitter, weapon or both? Why would it corrupt native Aionian lifeforms with dark glass if it was a transmitter to "make a call for backup" or a pickup? Or was this thing the Doge's mecha-walker weapon and not the Alin node Sawu had?

So I'm confused about the thing that was on the Mezekesh battlefield and what Giacomo had in his walker - assuming the Doge sent the Vinci node to Czin via a Pirata airship, was what Giacomo had Sawu's Alin node or the Doge's weapon?

If they failed to get the Alin node then Czin would succeed in making his call.
If they did get the node then why isn't it clearer and what happened to it?
Or maybe what Sawu had wasn't a node or weapon, just some other Cuotl artifact.

In summary:
Vinci node - last node to be found, found by Doge, maybe sent to Czin by Pirata airship, Doge given or found Cuotl weapon attachment for mech-walker beforehand as a deal

Alin node - found about 800 years ago by Sawu (maybe in the "Valley of the Mad", that place with the greenish atmosphere that drove Giacomo crazy, which is in front of the giant glass scar on the Alin desert landscape) and later after being buried, he re-activated somehow. Giacomo and friends travel to Mezekesh to defeat the newly reactivated Sawu, but it is unclear if they get the Alin node or Doge's weapon

Cuotl nodes - some already in Czin's possession, also about 800 years ago or longer.

[This message has been edited by alincarpetman (edited 10-16-2016 @ 00:27 AM).]

Rohan Reznor
Zekeling
posted 10-16-16 03:34 AM EDT (US)     3 / 11       
Hello there @alincarpetman, I was waiting for your reply ! Anyways, here's what I think of your points :-
In the first Alin cutscene the Alin King mentions "nearly 30 generations ago Sawu was corrupted by a strange talisman". In real life a human "generation" is considered ranging from 22-32 years, maybe 25 average. So 30 x 25 = 750 years, maybe about 800 years before Giacomo's journey Sawu was corrupted, if a human generation and year measurement equals a Aionian generation and year. We don't know how long Giacomo's journey across Vinci lands took since since Petruzzo's death and the Doge's theft of the node, but when he gets to Azar Harif we find out that 800 or so years ago the Dark Alin came into existence. So the Vinci node was the last one to be found/activated, as the Alin node was activated around 800 years ago, and the Cuotl nodes already in possession before then. It's not specified at what point the Dark Alin subsided, sometime between 800 years ago and the present in the campaign storyline.
I think the nodes were never activated. They were in a dormant state. What Sawu found was a node in it's dormant state. But a dormant node still has energy (It powered Czin's transmitter after all). It is the energy which lied in the node which enhanced Sawu's powers and made him mad.

If the Alin node was activated, then the Vinci node would also be activated (As they are refereed to be linked) and the Vinci Node was buried in a massive mining operation (Those mining buildings which the Doge destroys at the end of Vinci mission one are huge and complex which hints to an extensive mining effort) and if it was activated then Miners would have been sick there from 800 years ago. However the Vinci Node starts making the miners sick when the campaign starts which shows that it's a recent phenomenon. This gets linked to the Alin Node awakening the Dark Alin (Azar Harif King's reference).
The question is if Mezekesh was abandoned with Sawu in it and buried under "a mile of sand" as the Alin King said, how did Sawu and the Dark Alin "re-activate" the city? Was the node buried with him? It seems like it, as you can see it in the final mission near him. However what is the "Mezekesh barrier"? How is it being generated and for what? To protect Sawu or imprison him? Damanhur and Dahkla are the "keys" to Mezekesh and the barrier falls when they approach the gate.
You are correct the Node was buried with him, this node is what makes Sawu even stronger when activated leading to the Dark Alin's reawakening (See above). This node is shown in the final campaign mission where Czin uses it to power his transmitter.

The Mezekesh barrier is a magical seal created by Damanhur and Dakhla to imprison Sawu and stop the spread of Dark Glass. Xil, the Sun God creates the "Eye of the Gods" to destroty the magical barrier and re-claim the Alin node by defeating Sawu.

Basically the seal is a lock, the two keys are Damanhur and Dakhla, so the barrier falls because they unlocked the seal.
Maybe these two created a "security lock" imprisoning Sawu, the node, and the Dark Alin. Maybe then the city was buried in sand. But the question is still how and why Sawu re-activated the Dark Alin. The area looks clear of sand, so at some point even though imprisoned the sand was cleared away. Maybe the mile of sand was "cleared" by transmuting it to dark glass spires, spikes and flats. Then only the barriers remained and Giacomo and friends were actually breaking into a prison to defeat Sawu which was risky since he and more Dark Alin could have escaped. Maybe Sawu was like a gangster somehow directing his outside Dark Alin gang from inside the prison, or he left it up to the dark genies to continue the war on their own.
Bold : Yes, this is what I wanted to say. Sawu did not re-activate the Dark Alin, it happened when Czin initially activated the transmitter and it re-activated the dormant Alin and Vinci Nodes. The Alin node made Sawu even more stronger and gave him power to break the seal partially whears the Vinci Node made the miners sick and brought the presence of the Mianan heroes.

The power surge from the Alin Node (This is even a bonus power in the Cuotl campaign) gave Sawu the power to do the underlined.
Personally I imagined Sawu as a "regular human" (or Aionian in this case) or genie before turning evil, after he got corrupted by the Cuotl relic maybe he mutated and grew two more arms and turned into a blue glass color because of the dark glass corruption, similar to how Giacomo's face is also affected later.
This is possible and will be an interesting plot element.
I'm unsure of one thing - the Cuotl transmitter nodes versus Cuotl weapons. For example,the Doge has a Cuotl tech weapon on one of the arms on his mech-walker when he visits the mine to get the transmitter node. Sawu has a node in Mezekesh but no Cuotl weapon.

We can guess that maybe the Cuotl weapon attached to Doge's mech-walker was a "gift", bribe or deal to make the Doge fulfill Czin's mission. In the cutscene here it looks like he already had the weapon when he got to the mine with the node. Maybe he had spies all over Vinci land, including Miana, which is how he found out about the node.
I think the nodes can be used as weapons. The proof that the Cuotl weapon that the Doge uses is a node is shown when Giacomo touches the node in the last campaign video scene. I am referring to this part from the linked timeline in first post :-
He attempted to touch the Cuotl transmitter's power source, perhaps turn it to glass... When the last anyone saw of him was the transmitter exploding.
That node/power source was the one which the Doge used on his walker. It was also the same which exploded and corrupted Giacomo with Dark Glass. What the Doge had was a node given to him by Czin. Perhaps the node would help the Doge track the Vinci and Alin Nodes. Perhaps it was used to mind control the Doge (The Doge makes many rash decisions in the campaign). All seem plausible.
In the second Alin cutscene we see a Cuotl ship arrive after the Doge is killed to pick up either the Doge's weapon or the Alin node - Giacomo says "It's coming for this." However in the first Cuotl cutscene we see this node in Giacomo's walker here. So maybe the Cuotl failed to retrieve it that time, but Czin shows up and gets it this time. But it is unclear if the Alin node was picked up or not, we don't clearly see it being talked about or shown, so there's some confusion here.
The Cuotl Ship picks up the Alin Node which corrupted Sawu. This node is abonded by Giacomo because he leaves to kill the Doge. The Cuotl ship steals the Alin Node and takes it back to Czin when Giacomo is fighting the Doge. This node is shown in the final campaign mission powering Czin's transmitter.

The node which the Doge had was retrieved from his destroyed walker. Since it was damaged, it ended up exploding when Giacomo tried to use it as a weapon against Ix and corrupted him with Dark Glass.
Meanwhile Giacomo modifies his walker with parts from Ix the Moon God after he was injured by the node's blast trying to fight him. Which makes you wonder if it is a transmitter, weapon or both? Why would it corrupt native Aionian lifeforms with dark glass if it was a transmitter to "make a call for backup" or a pickup? Or was this thing the Doge's mecha-walker weapon and not the Alin node Sawu had?
I doubt the bold. It almost seems as if Giacomo modified IX's lifeless body and added Vinci Technology to the damaged parts of Ix.

It is a transmitter with a vast amount of energy. Energy can be manipulated in whatever form you want to. Thus the node can be used as a transmitter, a weapon, whatever the person who uses it can think of.
So I'm confused about the thing that was on the Mezekesh battlefield and what Giacomo had in his walker - assuming the Doge sent the Vinci node to Czin via a Pirata airship, was what Giacomo had Sawu's Alin node or the Doge's weapon?
Mezekesh Battlefield - Alin Node - Retrieved by Czin.
Bold - Vinci Node - Retrived by Czin
Giacomo had the Doge Power node which was used by the Doge as a weapon.
In summary:
Vinci node - last node to be found, found by Doge, maybe sent to Czin by Pirata airship, Doge given or found Cuotl weapon attachment for mech-walker beforehand as a deal

Alin node - found about 800 years ago by Sawu (maybe in the "Valley of the Mad", that place with the greenish atmosphere that drove Giacomo crazy, which is in front of the giant glass scar on the Alin desert landscape) and later after being buried, he re-activated somehow. Giacomo and friends travel to Mezekesh to defeat the newly reactivated Sawu, but it is unclear if they get the Alin node or Doge's weapon

Cuotl nodes - some already in Czin's possession, also about 800 years ago or longer.
I think a summary of the node affecting the plot will be nice. I will make a separate post on it soon.

EDIT !------------------------------- (HERE IS THE SUMMARY) :-


The Cuotl Spaceship Transmitter had four power nodes which were used to power up the transmitter and make it work. To make the summary easy to understand, these four power nodes will be called as as such :-

Vinci Mianan Power Node

Alin Sawu Power Node

Doge Power Node

Czin Power Node


The starting point is the Cuotl Spaceship breaking apart and crash landing.

Vinci Mianan Power Node :-

This node lands in Miana and is buried deep under the ground.
Over time, an extensive mining operation starts where the node is buried.
Czin activates his transmitter, the power surge causes the node to activate.
The energy of the node makes the miners sick and attracts the attention of the Lord of Miana, Petruzzo.
The Doge tracks the node by using his own power node.
The Doge retrieves the node and using the Pirata transports it to Vennuci.
Czin retrieves the node by using his vassals before Vennuci falls to Giacomo's forces.
Czin uses the node to power his transmitter before Giacomo defeats him.
The node is destroyed when the transmitter explodes.

Alin Sawu Power Node :-

This node lands in the Alin lands in The Mad Desert.
The node is found by Sawu who is corrupted by the Node's dormant alien energies.
Sawu uses the node's dormant energies to create Dark Glass monsters and uses them to conquer Mezekesh.
Sawu along with the Node is sealed in Mezekesh by Damanhur and Dakhla.
Czin activates his transmitter, the power surge causes the node to activate.
The activated node gives Sawu even more power and the Dark Alin re-awaken.
Giacomo breaks the seal of Mezekesh and frees Sawu from the corrupting influences of the Node.
Giacomo abandons the node in Mezekesh as he leaves to defeat the Doge.
The node is retrieved by a Cuotl spaceship who returns it to Czin.
Czin uses the node to power his transmitter before Giacomo defeats him..
The node is destroyed when the transmitter explodes.

Doge Power Node :-

This node lands in Cuotl lands and after subjugating the Cuotl tribes, Czin retrieves it .
Czin uses the node along with another node to activate the transmitter to call home.
The transmitter does not activate completely but activates the two remaining nodes in Alin and Vinci Lands.
Czin makes contact with the Doge and corrupts his mind by sending him a power node.
The Doge uses the power node as a makeshift laser weapon on his walker. He kills Petruzzo with this node.
In the fight on the borders of Mezekesh between Giacomo and the Doge, Giacomo pulls out the wires connecting the node to the Doge's walker.
The node de-stabilises and explodes killing the Doge.
The damaged node is retrieved by Giacomo and he puts it in his walker.
In the Cuotl borders, Ix tries to retrieve the node and destroys Giacomo's walker in the process.
Giacomo tries to use the node as a weapon against Ix, but since it was damaged it explodes and corrupts Giacomo with Dark Glass.
After killing Carlini, Czin retrieves the power node.
Czin repairs the power node and uses the node to power his transmitter.
After Czin is defeated, Giacomo touches the node causing it to react with Giacomo's body and fill him with alien energies.
The node is destroyed when the transmitter explodes.

Czin Power Node

This node was near Czin's spacepod, so he retrieves it easily.
Czin uses the node along with another node to activate the transmitter to call home.
The transmitter does not activate completely but activates the two remaining nodes in Alin and Vinci Lands.
Czin uses this node to keep his transmitter online which is fed by mass amounts of Timonium sourced from Zhat.
Once Czin gathers the remaining three power nodes, he uses them along with this node to power his transmitter before Giacomo defeats him.
The node is destroyed when the transmitter explodes.

[This message has been edited by Rohan Reznor (edited 10-16-2016 @ 04:12 AM).]

TimorenPL
Zekeling
posted 10-16-16 10:28 AM EDT (US)     4 / 11       
OK, now after you elaborated it makes much more sense to me.
There is a possiblity that False Gods didn't want to contact home because of the power they had on Aio while in their world being only e.g. engineers. Although the reason behind their 'laziness' in contacting home is lack of other nodes.

Did Sawu got corrupted and driven to madness because of the node's power itself or False Gods deliberately did it to take control over him, like with Doge? Did they fail because Sawu was too powerful (either being very powerful human mage or genie) or they never planned anything like that?

Another thing is, why it took them over 800years to localize other nodes (talking specifically about the one in Sawu's hands, it was really close to them). Did subjugating native tribes took them longer than I think? Let's say so - in that case Sawu got imprisoned in the Mezekesh before False Gods realised that their node is there. Xil had to build the powerful weapon to break the barrier - he was possibly lacking resources (mostly high-tech from the remnants from the wreck) so that's why it took hundreads of years. Maybe they planned to retrieve the Vinci node later because they knew nothing about Vinci land? Here comes the Doge then. How did he contact Czin and other False Gods? Did he mine his weapon himself and that's when he became a puppet in their hands?

Now, analyzing the intro - Sawu is attacking Padonia, which is close to the Miana, where Vinci node is buried. Is that only expansion of Dark Alin lead by madman Sawu or is that specific mission of retrieveing the last node?

Here into the mind comes The Great Inventor. He probably got influenced by Cuotl technology too. He was the one that invented every single clockwork machine, airships, maybe even musket? It seems impossible that he was just a gifted human, even more if we think about that in the next 800years there wasn't anyone such genious. He must've found cuotl technology that gave him the knowledge.

The question is, how he did not get corrupted by it? Was he immune? Or he knew how to handle it to not get affected? Or maybe answer is much easier and he didn't get corrupted just because Czin haven't activated nodes yet, not releasing their dangerous aura?

Sawu, send by the False Gods, or doing everything by himself, got defeated but The Great Inventor has died. What happens next? Sawu some time later gets imprisoned in Mezekesh, The Great Inventor's body preserved in Condotierri Castle (or anywhere else, probably in important or well-protected place; later his brain gets removed and Zeke is construced to protect it, however we don't know why Distruzio did it) due to his merits.

Later, Vinci node is still hidden, Sawu imprisoned so the two nodes are out of reach of Cuotl. But did they really needed 800years to just get close to retrieveing them? What stopped them from flying over there and quickly taking the nodes before Alin/Vinci realised what's going on? Quick rush to take the nodes back to Czin sounds very effective to me, so what stopped them?

Overally this sounds cool Rohan Sorry for the post being a little chaotic, ask if you want me to clarify anything.
alincarpetman
Afreet
posted 10-17-16 04:09 AM EDT (US)     5 / 11       
@Rohan Reznor Nice summary!

Yeah some things are more clear now, but I have some more questions and it seems there are still unresolved things:
Mezekesh Battlefield - Alin Node - Retrieved by Czin.
Bold - Vinci Node - Retrived by Czin
Giacomo had the Doge Power node which was used by the Doge as a weapon.
Ok so the reason I was confused is because I didn't know you thought there were two Vinci nodes - one the Doge got and then the one in Miana. I got confused between the Alin node and Doge's attachment/node. However if you view the Mezekesh battle cutscene again, it looks like the node Giacomo was referring to is the Doge's attachment, not Sawu's Alin node - because Giacomo and friends exited Mezekesh and were fighting on the flat area outside the prison-city when the Cuotl spaceship arrived to either pick up the Alin node, Doge's node, or both.

So if Giacomo took the Doge's node into his walker, I'm still unsure of what happened to Sawu's Alin node because it is never shown visually or talked about. We don't even see a battle between the Alin-Vinci forces and this Cuotl spaceship - maybe it wasn't powerful enough to defeat all of them so it made a retreat, as Giacomo and friends were heading toward the Cuotl jungle anyway and encountered Ix and Czin.

We can then speculate that this is a plot hole, or as Rohan said "The node is retrieved by a Cuotl spaceship who returns it to Czin." This still makes me wonder why Giacomo and friends exited Mezekesh without taking the node with them? Seems like a foolish oversight to leave it right there for the taking, now that the magic seal was down.

So we can reassess the videos and speculate that the Doge found a node for himself maybe nearby Venucci, and attached it to his mech-walker. Maybe this node wasn't a gift or bribe, he just found it somewhere. So that node led him to the node in Miana which we see suspended from a Pirata airship, which may have been sent to Czin by air. The Doge was planning to go to Mezekesh maybe to defeat or collaborate with Sawu and get the Alin node for the Cuotl, bringing them two nodes. Or maybe he wanted it for himself.

If so, maybe Sawu also had ambitions of his own, or maybe the Doge and Sawu were just both mind controlled but had setbacks in their quests - Giacomo and friends thwarted both of them. So Czin's spy scouts alerted him of this and he personally showed up to retrieve Doge's node that Giacomo had in his walker.

I'll post some ideas on if Czin did or didn't succeed in transmitting his signal after the next replies.

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@TimorenPL
Another thing is, why it took them over 800years to localize other nodes...
Yeah I thought about this too - besides taking time subjugating the native Cuotl tribes I think that because a high-tech spaceship made of metal, electronics, whatever crashed into many pieces into a unfamiliar, humid, wet, chaotic jungle is part of the long time for alien conquest of the jungle. The humid climate of the hot jungle was a bad environment for the metal components of the spaceship so that probably caused more problems. Also the aliens used the local stone to build their units, buildings, etc and that probably took some time to set up mines and manufacture these things.

We can also guess that maybe after subjugating most of the tribes, some of the alien gods made their way to Mezekesh, but after they left some of the tribes revolted, so maybe they had to postpone their invasion of Mezekesh and quell the rebellions which would take more time.

I also think that the aliens may have simply been following an automatic "alien survival program" so the native Aionians were "expendable" maybe because these aliens have a insect-like consciousness - like ants behave in real life on planet earth - or maybe they just believed they were justified in the means to survive and re-establish contact with their species. At Kahal Czin did say some condescending stuff to Giacomo so maybe he did have some awareness and chose to look down on the Aionian lifeforms.

We can keep speculating, in the end the question is how and why did the aliens show up near Aio and crash in the first place? Were they going there all along for exploration, conquest or they ended up there by accident and then had another accident - the crash landing? This is sort of a "unknown mysterious origins" moment in the plotline - the story needed to start somehow so we got the visual in the intro of the exploding spaceship.

So the reasons for around 800 years for "Alien Cuotl Transmitter Retrieval Operation":

- crash landing accident confusion - need time to look around, make shelter, repairs, basic survival program, gather intelligence about native flora, fauna, landscape and locate other crashed pieces of mothership
- range of geography - it took time to travel around, fight and build in new areas
- time to mine local timonium and stone for construction and adapt alien technology to new environment and designs
- native environment, weather and climate of hot, humid, rainy wet jungle which is unhelpful for metal/electric technology as the plants infested the Cuotl tech ruins, the corrosion and malfunction of parts needing repairs and adjustments
- subjugating native Aionian jungle tribes took time to learn about them and may have always been a problem with subsequent distraction of rebellions
- possible conflicts of interest or mission objectives among Czin, Ix, Shok and Xil and lesser units
- native Alin fight Sawu and Dark Alin corrupted by Cuotl tech and manage to imprison them for some time, another setback for alien Cuotl
- interference from Giacomo and Yontash expeditions - need to spend time and resources to gather intel on these threats and make interceptions
- more factors?
Here comes the Doge then. How did he contact Czin and other False Gods? Did he mine his weapon himself and that's when he became a puppet in their hands?
According to Rohan, the Doge found a node nearby Venucci, maybe it was mined out also. So this node somehow communicated and led him to the second Vinci node near Miana.
Now, analyzing the intro - Sawu is attacking Padonia, which is close to the Miana, where Vinci node is buried. Is that only expansion of Dark Alin lead by madman Sawu or is that specific mission of retrieveing the last node?
I thought about this mission too - it seems like some unnamed Dark Alin genie and minions, so maybe no direct relation to Sawu, or a small expedition that was ordered to find the other node. I have wondered if some of the Dark Alin also fought amongst themselves - we see some good/light genies, and Andromolek later left the Dark Alin.
But did they really needed 800years to just get close to retrieveing them? What stopped them from flying over there and quickly taking the nodes before Alin/Vinci realised what's going on? Quick rush to take the nodes back to Czin sounds very effective to me, so what stopped them?
Yup, yet another plot hole when you think about it. It seems this is common in many fiction stories and some people say that if they just flew over there, then we either wouldn't have a story at all, or not long enough of a plotline. So it may be just to keep the story going, but look at this parody video about Lord of the Rings and why didn't Gandalf fly with eagles to destroy the ring - you can apply this to Rise of Legends or any story - why didn't they just fly over there and get it or destroy it?

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Rohan Reznor
Zekeling
posted 10-17-16 06:52 AM EDT (US)     6 / 11       
@timoren
@alincarpetman

I did some thinking after reading your points. I must admit, I completely forgot about including the Great Inventor in my plot line. Thus, I made a few edits on my Doge Node to put the Great Inventor in the plot :-

Doge Power Node :-

This node lands in the Vinci lands of Pandonia.
The node is found by the Great Inventor. The node reacts with him and broadcasts advanced Cuotl Technology in his mind.
The Great Inventor keeps this node with him and eventually uses it to power his walker.
Sawu attacks Pandonia because of a link between his node and the Great Inventor's node.
The Great Inventor overloads the Node and destroys the Pandonia bridge, thus stalling Sawu's invasion.
The Node along with the Great Inventor's corpse is retrived from Pandonia's canyon and eventually stored in Condettori Castle
The Node is stolen by the Doge when he visits Condettori Castle because he takes a fancy to the device
After lot of research on the node by the Doge's scientists, they are able to use the power node as a makeshift laser weapon on a walker.
Czin activates his transmitter with his power node. The resultant Energy Surge activates the Doge's Walker Node and the Doge's mind is corrupted and he becomes a tool of Czin. Czin sends some of his forces to support the Doge's efforts.
The Doge traces the Vinci Mianan node with his node and steals it from the mining company. In the process he kills Petruzzo.
Later on, the Doge's node reacts with another node in Alin lands. The Doge heads out for the Alin Desert.
In the fight on the borders of Mezekesh between Giacomo and the Doge, Giacomo pulls out the wires connecting the node to the Doge's walker.
The node de-stabilises and explodes killing the Doge.
The damaged node is retrieved by Giacomo and he puts it in his walker.
In the Cuotl borders, Ix tries to retrieve the node and destroys Giacomo's walker in the process.
Giacomo tries to use the node as a weapon against Ix, but since it was damaged it explodes and corrupts Giacomo with Dark Glass.
After killing Carlini, Czin retrieves the power node.
Czin repairs the power node and uses the node to power his transmitter.
After Czin is defeated, Giacomo touches the node causing it to react with Giacomo's body and fill him with alien energies.
The node is destroyed when the transmitter explodes.

This plot line clears up many things :-

It establishes a connection between Giacomo and The Great Inventor.
It shows that the Doge become an ally of Czin through corruption of his mind, not because the Doge wanted Cuotl Technology.

The only wonky part is how the Doge got the node. If the node was in Condotteri castle, how did the Doge get it ? A better explanation would be welcome.

@timorium
There is a possiblity that False Gods didn't want to contact home because of the power they had on Aio
I don't think so. When you look at the campaign plot line closely, Czin seemed to want all the pieces of Cuotl artifacts to power up his transmitter. Even before Giacomo marched over Czin's capital; Czin was sourcing mass amounts of Timonium from Zhat for his transmitter project. This shows that from the very beginning, the False Gods were doing everything to contact home. It was not that Czin got cornered by Giacomo that he tried to send a message home. The plan to call back home was the False Gods only purpose.

So why did it take more than 1000 years for the call back home plan to happen ? One reason is this :-
lack of other nodes
Another is the effort and time taken to repair the transmitter. The Spaceship blew apart and crashed, the Transmitter would undoubtedly be damaged severely.

Even another is the requirement of a secondary power source that is the Timonium. Or perhaps Timonium was the Primary Energy Source and the nodes were the remaining parts of the Transmitter and not power sources as I said.
Did Sawu got corrupted and driven to madness because of the node's power itself or False Gods deliberately did it to take control over him, like with Doge?
I would say that both the Doge and Sawu were corrupted by the nodes. The Doge became a tool of Czin because he was a free ruler of Vennuci but Czin was not able to control Sawu because he was sealed in Mezekesh. Sawu essentially is a berserker Third Party in this story.
Another thing is, why it took them over 800years to localize other nodes
It was simply because it took a long time to repair the transmitter and get the Energy Source (Timonium). In other to get Timonium, they had to subjugate the tribes. Then they had to build and mass produce their alien machines. All of this could have taken 1000 years.

The False Gods only came to know about the location of the other nodes once the transmitter came online. The Transmitter been activated would roughly take place a year of few months before the campaign begins. It would set the stage for the Doge searching the other nodes under Czin, the Dark Alin rising and the Mianan miners becoming sick.
in that case Sawu got imprisoned in the Mezekesh before False Gods realised that their node is there. Xil had to build the powerful weapon to break the barrier - he was possibly lacking resources (mostly high-tech from the remnants from the wreck) so that's why it took hundreads of years.
My plot line shows that this happens just before the campaign starts. Keep in mind that the Cuotl forests were likely vast, so Mezekesh would be very far away. There is a high possibility that the False Gods didn't even know about the Alin Desert for a long period of time. Perhaps they came to know of the Alin Lands 100 years before Campaign Start.
Maybe they planned to retrieve the Vinci node later because they knew nothing about Vinci land? Here comes the Doge then. How did he contact Czin and other False Gods? Did he find his weapon himself and that's when he became a puppet in their hands?
Vinci part very likely. But there comes an unexpected ally, The Doge. Bold is likely as I told in my updated plot line above.
Now, analyzing the intro - Sawu is attacking Padonia, which is close to the Miana, where Vinci node is buried. Is that only expansion of Dark Alin lead by madman Sawu or is that specific mission of retrieveing the last node?
Bold is likely. Perhaps Sawu was attracted there. If he got the Doge Node, he would obtain even greater power. Beyond Pandonia is Miana, where another node lay buried. Sawu would have gotten the other two nodes if he had not been stopped by the Great Inventor and later on sealed by Dakhla and Damanhur.
The question is, how he did not get corrupted by it? Was he immune? Or he knew how to handle it to not get affected? Or maybe answer is much easier and he didn't get corrupted just because Czin haven't activated nodes yet, not releasing their dangerous aura?
The Great Inventor perhaps was just like Giacomo sans the dark glass corruption. It's wierd how the Great Invetor didn't go mad when Sawu and Doge clearly went mad. But if you look at it, Giacomo never went mad when he was exposed to the same node either. Perhaps the Great Inventor had a resistance to the technology's corrupting effect ? Then, could Giacomo be a descendant of the Great Inventor (Genetic Inheritance) ?

Where does the resistance come from ? A fluke ? Or did the aliens come to Aio even before the False Gods crash landed and interacted with a few humans leaving them immune to the corruption caused by their alien artifacts. Perhaps those aliens planted Timonium deposits and then sent the False Gods to harvest the Timonium after a few centuries (The operation as we know failed because the Spaceship crash landed). This sounds like a good idea and can be added to the plotline.
But did they really needed 800years to just get close to retrieveing them? What stopped them from flying over there and quickly taking the nodes before Alin/Vinci realised what's going on? Quick rush to take the nodes back to Czin sounds very effective to me, so what stopped them?
Aio is a vast world. If you see the map of a country it would look small. But on the ground that country will be vast. It's highly possible that the Aio landmass is vast and the False Gods had no means to know the location of the other nodes until they activated their transmitter a small period of time before the Campaign starts.

@alincarpetman
Ok so the reason I was confused is because I didn't know you thought there were two Vinci nodes - one the Doge got and then the one in Miana. I got confused between the Alin node and Doge's attachment/node.
Yes, they are three different nodes, not the same ones.
Cuotl spaceship arrived to either pick up the Alin node, Doge's node, or both.
The Cuotl Spaceship picks up the Alin Node, The Doge Node is retrieved by Giacomo.
So if Giacomo took the Doge's node into his walker, I'm still unsure of what happened to Sawu's Alin node because it is never shown visually or talked about. We don't even see a battle between the Alin-Vinci forces and this Cuotl spaceship - maybe it wasn't powerful enough to defeat all of them so it made a retreat, as Giacomo and friends were heading toward the Cuotl jungle anyway and encountered Ix and Czin.
Bold : The Sawu Alin node is shown visually two times. Once during the Mezekesh campaign where it is feeding Sawu and again during the Cuotl Final Mission where it is powering the Transmitter. Play the two campaigns again and check out the details of the artifacts. You will realize that both are the same device.

So if the node goes from Sawu's hands to Czin, then this is the most plausible explanation :-
The node is retrieved by a Cuotl spaceship who returns it to Czin.
This still makes me wonder why Giacomo and friends exited Mezekesh without taking the node with them? Seems like a foolish oversight to leave it right there for the taking, now that the magic seal was down.
When I played the Mezekesh mission and saw this happen, I also found it very odd. What Giacomo did was foolish but we must consider A) Giacomo finally had the chance for revenge by killing the Doge, he clearly didn't want to miss the opportunity or let the Doge escape again and B) It was never expected that the Cuotl Spaceship will come to the scene and steal the Sawu Alin Node.
f so, maybe Sawu also had ambitions of his own, or maybe the Doge and Sawu were just both mind controlled but had setbacks in their quests - Giacomo and friends thwarted both of them. So Czin's spy scouts alerted him of this and he personally showed up to retrieve Doge's node that Giacomo had in his walker.
Both the Doge and Sawu went mad. Sawu was basically in a berserker mode trying to bring all the nodes together. No one was controlling him. Czin would have also controlled Sawu had he not been sealed in Mezekesh.

The Doge also went mad but he was manipulated by Czin directly.

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TimorenPL
Zekeling
posted 10-20-16 04:52 PM EDT (US)     7 / 11       
@alincarpetman
'Check out the ROL page on TV Tropes here - it's a very fun read and you can see all the common tropes, stereotypes, concepts in fiction. It's a useful site which you can spend a long time reading.' - Thank you, I will check it out for sure as soon as I find some spare time.

@Rohan Reznor
'@timorium' - did you just mix timonium with my nickname? :P

Talking about timonium though, it's never explained what it really is or how has it appeared in this world. Maybe it is like you said (of course if you assume it's not only resource the game balance needed)?

'Where does the resistance come from ? A fluke ? Or did the aliens come to Aio even before the False Gods crash landed and interacted with a few humans leaving them immune to the corruption caused by their alien artifacts. Perhaps those aliens planted Timonium deposits and then sent the False Gods to harvest the Timonium after a few centuries (The operation as we know failed because the Spaceship crash landed). This sounds like a good idea and can be added to the plotline.'

Maybe resistance to the corrupting influence of the dark glass is something personal among Vinci? Or overally personal, like in Lord Of The Rings, Frodo or Bilbo being able to wield The Ring for such a long time without going insane? In that case, Doge seems like an easy target to corrupt because of his hunger for power. Maybe Same for Sawu, we don't know much about his past, or corruption works different for genies (remember mission with Damanhur?). That also makes me think about The Dodge himself. Was he fully controlled by Czin? Was he controlled all the time? We will never know I guess.

Let's talk about the lifespan of the aliens now. How they are alive for such a long time? 800-1000+ years isn't short really. Are the False Gods robots? Or do they have a key to immortality/veryyy extended life? The second option is more plausible because as we know Kakoolha has lived 800-1000years (correct me if I'm wrong here) although it doesn't exclude the first one. Immortality/extended life is a must have on long travels in space as well.

Now I also agree that the False Gods wanted to contact home immediately and that they needed so much time to maintain jungle. We have to remember that it doesn't exclude possible arguments between them.

Sorry for the quality of the post I'm tired and haven't really got spare time!
Rohan Reznor
Zekeling
posted 10-21-16 04:23 AM EDT (US)     8 / 11       
@timorium
'@timorium' - did you just mix timonium with my nickname? :P
Yes, I did. LOL
Talking about timonium though, it's never explained what it really is or how has it appeared in this world. Maybe it is like you said (of course if you assume it's not only resource the game balance needed)?
It is a big mystery as to how Timonium can power Vinci machines, Alin Magic and Cuotl alien vehicles. It is also important to note that Czin needed vast amounts of Timonium to power his transmitter. Then there comes Dark Glass which looks similar to Timonium.

It has also been indirectly replied that the Cuotl artifacts lead to the formation of Timonium deposists. How ? Well there was an enormous Mining operation happening where the Vinci Mianan Node was buried and we can assume that the Vinci were mining Timonium. Perhaps the node led to the creation of the Timonium deposit ?
Maybe resistance to the corrupting influence of the dark glass is something personal among Vinci? Or overally personal, like in Lord Of The Rings, Frodo or Bilbo being able to wield The Ring for such a long time without going insane? In that case, Doge seems like an easy target to corrupt because of his hunger for power. Maybe Same for Sawu, we don't know much about his past, or corruption works different for genies (remember mission with Damanhur?). That also makes me think about The Dodge himself. Was he fully controlled by Czin? Was he controlled all the time? We will never know I guess.
The problem is that it is not clear what the Cuotl artifacts are. Is it Technology ? Is it Magic ? To me it looks like a combination of both. It could also be possible that it is neither. But a resistance which was genetically inherit among a few Vinci lineages because of previous contact with the original Aliens seems like a good plot line.

I would say the Doge was mind controlled. There was no way that either Czin or Doge could have contacted each other because their empires were too far apart (Literally on the two farthest ends of the continent of Aio). Thus Mind control of the Doge via activation of the nodes seems plausible as distance seems to be irrelevant when Cuotl Nodes react with each other. The mind control idea is supported by the amount of rash decisions that the Doge makes in the campaign (Abandoning his Capital, Doing whatever he can to get the nodes, etc).
Let's talk about the lifespan of the aliens now. How they are alive for such a long time? 800-1000+ years isn't short really. Are the False Gods robots? Or do they have a key to immortality/veryyy extended life? The second option is more plausible because as we know Kakoolha has lived 800-1000years (correct me if I'm wrong here) although it doesn't exclude the first one. Immortality/extended life is a must have on long travels in space as well.
Bold : I am pretty sure this is very likely. All the false gods were robots. They have robot voices, they emit sparks when damaged, Ix's corpse was made into a walker (Impossible if Ix was an organic being) and they have the same glowing bands as is present on various cuotl machines. I don't think the False Gods are organic beings, they are clearly mechanical. If they are machines, they would last forever, as long they have an energy source.

Underlined is why I think the Cuotl are using both technology and magic here.
Now I also agree that the False Gods wanted to contact home immediately and that they needed so much time to maintain jungle.
Information is very muddled about this aspect. We know the Alien Spaceship crashed 1000 years before Campaign Start. However the main question is when did the False Gods emerge from their Spacepods ? Was it just when the Spaceship crashed (Which would make the False Gods rising 1000 years ago) or did it happen a few centuries before the Campaign Start (Which would make the False Gods rising 200-300 years ago) ?

For example from here : http://rol.heavengames.com/contents/gameinfo/civilizations.shtml we get this :-
The Cuotl possess Technology so advanced it is like Magic. The technology was brought by the false gods of the Cuotl, Aliens whose Spaceship crashed onto Aio thousands of years ago.

The gods were not seen for a thousands years, according to some accounts. In any case, they brought an artifact to Aio which corrupted Sawu and almost destroyed the Alin, although unintentionally.
The bolded parts imply that the False Gods rose 200 to 100 years before campaign start !

The main question is where did the above information come from ? Is it wrong ? Is it correct ? I don't know cause the game has never made it clear when the False Gods emerged from the spaceship.
alincarpetman
Afreet
posted 11-02-16 09:02 PM EDT (US)     9 / 11       
@Rohan
The only wonky part is how the Doge got the node. If the node was in Condotteri castle, how did the Doge get it ? A better explanation would be welcome.
The castle in the game seems a bit small for a castle, maybe a variation on a stone steam fortress. I don't know of any story info that mentions the Inventor's body and Node would be inside the Condotteri castle as they are warring tribes of a past era that don't use all or much of steam power technology as other Vinci city states do. So those things wouldn't be inside the castle due to their rejection of newer technology and inventions by other states. I imagine most of them as various squabbling tribes, some ruled by warlords or old-style monarchs, with a tech that is a mix of medieval horses, swords, stone and some steam power such as cannons.
The plan to call back home was the False Gods only purpose.
It seems so, as I mentioned elsewhere maybe the robots were on a "survival program" and considered their local environment "expendable" in order to achieve their mission.
Perhaps the Great Inventor had a resistance to the technology's corrupting effect ? Then, could Giacomo be a descendant of the Great Inventor (Genetic Inheritance) ?
Maybe genetic or maybe psychological - practicing some mental training with varying degrees of success. Though the most obvious support for something like this would be the names of some of Yontash's spells.
But a resistance which was genetically inherit among a few Vinci lineages because of previous contact with the original Aliens seems like a good plot line
In the case of the Inventor I think he just had ideas of his own and no good or bad alien power was involved and with Giacomo he went a bit crazy but managed to keep himself together and accomplish some things - not everything has to involve the alien powers.
Where does the resistance come from ? A fluke ? Or did the aliens come to Aio even before the False Gods crash landed and interacted with a few humans leaving them immune to the corruption caused by their alien artifacts. Perhaps those aliens planted Timonium deposits and then sent the False Gods to harvest the Timonium after a few centuries (The operation as we know failed because the Spaceship crash landed). This sounds like a good idea and can be added to the plotline.
I think the aliens planting the timonium is a bit farfetched, though it is a mystery as to what the devs had in mind about what timonium is, how it evolved, how it is utilized, etc.
Aio is a vast world. If you see the map of a country it would look small. But on the ground that country will be vast. It's highly possible that the Aio landmass is vast
I actually tried to estimate the size of the Aio planet and it was difficult to do so. I have details if anyone is interested.
What Giacomo did was foolish but we must consider A) Giacomo finally had the chance for revenge by killing the Doge, he clearly didn't want to miss the opportunity or let the Doge escape again and B) It was never expected that the Cuotl Spaceship will come to the scene and steal the Sawu Alin Node.
Makes sense, though with a "proofreader" of the storyline or more time for development maybe a lot of things would be worked out some more.
It is a big mystery as to how Timonium can power Vinci machines, Alin Magic and Cuotl alien vehicles. It is also important to note that Czin needed vast amounts of Timonium to power his transmitter. Then there comes Dark Glass which looks similar to Timonium.
As the subject of timonium has come up again, see the discussion here about magic and timonium.
Thus Mind control of the Doge via activation of the nodes seems plausible as distance seems to be irrelevant when Cuotl Nodes react with each other. The mind control idea is supported by the amount of rash decisions that the Doge makes in the campaign (Abandoning his Capital, Doing whatever he can to get the nodes, etc).
Maybe mind control via Cuotl tech or he was just a selfish evil person that sought more power. The amount of rash decisions such as leaving Venucci and not being at Mezekesh so the player can battle him to me could also be just unfinished or underdeveloped writing - I can see fan made alternate interpretations made into scenarios if they want to spend the time doing so.
I am pretty sure this is very likely. All the false gods were robots. They have robot voices, they emit sparks when damaged, Ix's corpse was made into a walker (Impossible if Ix was an organic being) and they have the same glowing bands as is present on various cuotl machines. I don't think the False Gods are organic beings, they are clearly mechanical. If they are machines, they would last forever, as long they have an energy source.
Makes sense, not sure about lasting forever but it is a mystery who the real aliens are as you posted about the alien concept art here. I speculate that maybe those are the "real" alien lifeforms who sent out spaceships with robots, which could be "organic" or synthetic, possible genetically engineered. The holograms Giacomo sees inside the ship could either be these aliens, avatars for the robots, or something else. So we have at least three things - organic alien concept, alien holograms inside the ship, and mechanical robot gods.
However the main question is when did the False Gods emerge from their Spacepods ? Was it just when the Spaceship crashed (Which would make the False Gods rising 1000 years ago) or did it happen a few centuries before the Campaign Start (Which would make the False Gods rising 200-300 years ago) ?
Yeah we don't know, Sawu was corrupted by the node circa 800 years ago so sometime in those centuries the Cuotl robots took over. I don't know if the False Gods were damaged inside the ship and had to augment themselves with stone or chose to do so to display their power to the native jungle Aionians.
For example from here : http://rol.heavengames.com/contents/gameinfo/civilizations.shtml we get...
The main question is where did the above information come from ? Is it wrong ? Is it correct ? I don't know cause the game has never made it clear when the False Gods emerged from the spaceship.
This looks like a general fan write up, I think it's just a guess.


@timorium
Now, analyzing the intro - Sawu is attacking Padonia...
Why do you think it's Padonia? I'll take a closer look when I get a chance...
Let's talk about the lifespan of the aliens now. How they are alive for such a long time? 800-1000+ years isn't short really. Are the False Gods robots? Or do they have a key to immortality/veryyy extended life? The second option is more plausible because as we know Kakoolha has lived 800-1000years (correct me if I'm wrong here
Where is it said Kakoolha has lived 800-1000 years? I recall him saying he has battled the False Gods for a long time, I'll check the voiceover sound files.

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Rodmar18
Zekeling
posted 07-06-17 10:27 AM EDT (US)     10 / 11       
Hello, I'm just replaying the campaign.

- the artifact seems to be found in the province of Vernazza, not Miana nor Padonia. 1st Vinci mission, when the Doge flees with the retrieved artifact, is named "The Vernazzi expedition". In 1st Vinci cinematic, we learn that the Mianan ruler now well about the disease that the artifact spreads amongst the miners, and that Giacomo is confident that he could study it safely once secured in his laboratory. The help text for Vernazza province tells that the Mianans have mining concessions there and that the Condottieri tax heavily the others. There no such mention about mines in Padonia help text.
That said, the game next starts with Giacomo in Miana and the Doge in Pirata (neighbour to Vernazza). Doge's agenda is now focused on Piratans, although they just transported the artifact for him.

- what about the alien wreckage that allows the rogue Viscount of Tarona to command Cuotl Snakes? It is said that once Petruzzo dies, he broke the alliance with Miana. Did the Snakes help him feeling himself confident enough? When the wreckage was found? Tarona is neighbour to Vernazza by the way. Is the wreckage linked to a failed Cuotl retrieving expedition? Or was it reactivated by the same process than the transmitter nodes? (it's the wreckage that produces the Snakes, not the Viscount)

- in the 1st Alin cinematic, we learn that Sawu was corrupted 30 generations ago by a talisman that had fallen from the sky. Well, if we take it literally, that doesn't totally imply that the talisman fell at that time. On one hand, how to know that it's outlandish if no Alin sees it falling from the sky? On the other hand, how such a cataclysm (large meteors falling upon all parts of Aio as in introductionary cinematic) was not recordered by the ancients of the time? Perhaps Savu did use magic to know it, or is it a plot hole?

- more on the Dark Alin (1st Alin cinematic), they were defeated in the past, but not before Sawu was reinforced by the mystics'magic when they tried and confronted him. Since them, they've kept escaping from time to time from burried Mezekesh (or corrupted on the neighbouring surface), hence the legendary rumors about them. But the real invasion started some weeks ago, and nothing indeed tells how Sawu was freed. Either the "Node" plot is accurate (activating the nodes), or the Cuotl directly intervened at Mezekesh. These same weeks time span could correspond to the Vinci campaign duration, as we learn in 3rd Vinci cinematic that the Mianan forces could reach for Venucci in but a few days. Thus it's probable that the freeing of Sawu took place as about the same time as the discovery of the artifact by Mianan miners in Vernazza.

- the Cuotl gods aren't robots, as it seems. Firstly, we have a concept art of an alien, humanoid creature. Secondly, their suits (jaguar, eagle, ...) are obviously designed from jungle animals to impress the native tribes. Building these suits may take time, and that could explain a period of relative inactivity in the jungle. Or you would say that the Aliens remain secure in their respective capitols and send their robotic avatars in the outside? The robotic voice may be the result of some hastily made voice transmitter, and the fact they don't leave organic corpses behind is no wonder. Walkers and Vinci vehicles, which are not robotic, neither do.

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alincarpetman
Afreet
posted 07-08-17 01:37 PM EDT (US)     11 / 11       
@ Rodmar - You have a lot of good points and questions, it seems we can interpret the story in many ways.

It would be nice to see more player-made scenarios exploring their own interpretations or spin-offs from the official campaign story.
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